Immigration might be President Donald Trump’s signature issue, but what do Americans actually think about border security and enforcement? And how should elected officials go about reforming the system?
Host and editorial director Astead Herndon sits down with The Atlantic’s Caitlin Dickerson to discuss the ways in which 9/11 shaped immigration enforcement in the US, and why it’s so difficult to change.
Later, Report for America corps member and Arizona Luminaria reporter Yana Kunichoff joins from Tucson to explain how people’s views on immigration in the border state have shifted since the 2024 election.
00:00 Intro: Immigration beyond Trump
02:01 History of immigration policy in the US
04:46 Stephen Miller’s next steps
06:52 What sort of immigration policy do Americans want?
08:46 Can ICE be reformed?
11:46 The fallout from the Laken Riley Act
13:20 Why Democrats fail on immigration
17:34 The view from a border state: Arizona
21:22 Shifting Arizona politics
24:25 Beyond immigration, what’s driving political engagement in Arizona?
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