Human rights activist and head of the Fossil Fuel Treaty, Kumi Naidoo, speaks to us from Santa Marta in Colombia, where the world's first fossil fuel phase-out conference is taking place today.
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Over 50 nations, including the UK, Canada, Australia, Brazil, and EU member states are meeting outside of the COP process, to discuss how the global economy can end its reliance on coal, oil and gas.
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